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Bryant Again · Jul 05, 2007, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

3. LICENSE TO USE
(…)
You may not (…) (b) modify, adapt, reverse engineer or decompile the Software(…)

Keyword highlighted. Like Dark has already stated, textures =/= software.

nickthemenace · Jul 05, 2007, 01:21 PM // 13:21

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Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper

u guys thing it's possible 2 re-create the ui from the beta?
http://www.vidaextra.com/images/gw.jpg

Gave it a try, though my paintshop skills are near non-existent.

Pickletron · Jul 05, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27

Someone needs to make a mod for Male Warrior Platemail->Space Marine.
(Like in my avatar)

isamu kurosawa · Jul 05, 2007, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Well, I have to say im very pleased with this. That armour bug has been annoying me for a long time.

lyra_song · Jul 05, 2007, 01:41 PM // 13:41

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

Well, I have to say im very pleased with this. That armour bug has been annoying me for a long time.

Should have modded the top to mtch the bottom, not remove the nylon, that seems to have been the original design intent.

D8tura · Jul 05, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49

I don't know if this will work or not, but i'd LOVE to see meloni's 15k armor on another dervish - someone do it and i'll be very impressed

pnumm · Jul 05, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

Does anyone think it would be possible to turn my female ritualist into Prince Rurik?

isamu kurosawa · Jul 05, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Should have modded the top to mtch the bottom, not remove the nylon, that seems to have been the original design intent.

I prefer it without, like the full obsidian set (justr never liked the obsidian skirt thing). All i need to do to finnish it is to give her a belly button

D8tura · Jul 05, 2007, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Oh one more thing - MORTAL KOMBAT sounds!!!

LOL

Selket · Jul 05, 2007, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

Well, I have to say im very pleased with this. That armour bug has been annoying me for a long time.

needs a bellybutton D:

TurinPT · Jul 05, 2007, 02:23 PM // 14:23

that quartz mod has some usefull stuff.
heres some more i've been doing:

Willow O Whisper · Jul 05, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by nickthemenace

Gave it a try, though my paintshop skills are near non-existent.

a little more work on it and it will be perfect nice job

Lucifer PVP · Jul 05, 2007, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Here Gaile

Link to mod 4 use with texmod
http://rapidshare.com/files/41184603/mel.tpf.html

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Jul 05, 2007, 05:28 PM // 17:28

So is anyone going to post up all these mods for download or something?

Relambrien · Jul 05, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Keyword highlighted. Like Dark has already stated, textures =/= software.

Look at this, the definition of Software:

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Originally Posted by GW EULA

To use the Service, you will need to install software which NC Interactive makes available from the Web Site via download or which you have purchased from a retailer, including but not limited to all and any items accompanying the software, such as user manuals and access key (the "Software").

"Software" (with the capital S), by this definition, refers to "software which NC Interactive makes available from the Web Site via download" which would be the game. What do you get when you use the installer you download? Gw.exe, the screens folder, the templates folder, and the .dat file.

By this defnition, whatever is in the .dat file is part of the Software. Now this begs the question, "Is using this mod program modifying, adapting, reverse engineering, or decompiling any of those files in any way?" The last two can be pretty much thrown out, and apparently the program doesn't actually "modify" the .dat file so much as redirect it. But then we have "adapt." What exactly does this mean? Dictionary.com gives the definition...

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Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

a·dapt /əˈdæpt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-dapt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –verb (used with object) 1.to make suitable to requirements or conditions; adjust or modify fittingly: They adapted themselves to the change quickly. He adapted the novel for movies. –verb (used without object) 2.to adjust oneself to different conditions, environment, etc.: to adapt easily to all circumstances.

In this case, the first definition applies, as an object is used. Are the files downloaded "being made suitable to requirements or conditions; adjusted or modified fittingly?" In this case, I believe "requirements or conditions" can be used to mean "criteria." Now, if we review the definition of Software, it pretty much means everything in the Guild Wars folder, plus whatever other files the installer installs (e.g. any .dll's). If those files are being changed in any way ("being made suitable to [criteria]"), then modding is against the EULA. If the files are *not* being changed, then modding is not against the EULA if the EULA means exactly what it says.

It's been previously stated that the modding program merely redirects the program to look for another file in place of the one in the .dat; this is verifiable in that running GW without the modding program does not produce the mods. Therefore the original .dat remains unchanged. However, what exactly does "redirecting" the program work? Honestly, I don't have a clue. However, if the mod program changes a line of code, adds something in, or whatever and causes a redirect, then that can be considered modification, and is thus against the EULA. To know for certain whether the program violates the EULA, you would have to know the inner workings of the program and determine whether it changes any of the files installed when you downloaded GW or installed it off the discs.

But if we take the words of those who have posted previously (here and other places), and the mod program leaves the .dat and other files unchanged, then modding would not be against the EULA (or at least that part of it).

Of course, this post by Gaile clears things up considerably for the time being.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

We can't say you can do that, but we won't take action if you do choose to do it.

It means they can't say, "Oh go ahead and mod," but they can say, "We do not support it, but doing it will not result in us taking action." This is the closest thing to an "OK" that Gaile can give without resulting in MAJOR problems and confusion regarding support of modding. It's similar to having someone say to you, "I really don't want you doing this, but if you're going to, then I won't stop you. Just don't call me if something goes wrong."

omens · Jul 05, 2007, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

So is anyone going to post up all these mods for download or something?

I would suggest if you like what someone has posted and would be interested in using it, give them a pm and ask if they would like to share it.

DarkNecrid · Jul 05, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

"But if we take the words of those who have posted previously (here and other places), and the mod program leaves the .dat and other files unchanged, then modding would not be against the EULA (or at least that part of it)."

It doesn't. It just redirects stuff based on a texture location. Nothing is changed at all, and that is why it is not against the EULA.

TurinPT · Jul 05, 2007, 06:32 PM // 18:32

I took this idea from that Quartz mod and made a mod with only the health bar upgrade, so now it shows the 50% and 80% mark, for a more effective use of ZB and LoD. Its not very attractive but it does its job.

if you want to use or improve it, download the picture above and open with WinRar, I included the tpf, picture and log file.

edit: been trying different colors, light pink is what looks better to me.
Also, its safe. No trojans or anything lol.

ElinoraNeSangre · Jul 05, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39

I <3 purple stalker!

Cotton candy tiger as threatened, too!

Karlos · Jul 05, 2007, 06:59 PM // 18:59

I just want to make sure people are clear about what's at stake here:

Fake modding software is the number ONE method for having your account stolen.

Just thought I would put that in bold clear print somewhere in this thread.

The issue is not the players with programming experience who want to fiddle with the executable and crash their GW for kicks while turning their Koss' afro into corn rows; the issue is those who do NOT program.

Many youth (ages 8 to about 16) are VERY careless about computer security. I help a lot of friends with their home PCs and the number one security breach is their kids. They download all these "cool" gadgets and toys that also install spyware and adware and mess up the memory and processing and completely bog down the machine.

These same guys see a website for "cool" GW mods that allow you to run around with a lightsaber... Ooooh! An opportunity to post a screenie and brag about it to your buddies in the guild. You download it, install it, start GW and true enough, your warrior is running around with a lightsaber.

Unbeknownst to you, the "mod" is also a "trojan." It logs all your key strokes and sends them over the internet to a bunch of bad guys. They read the keystrokes and see when you typed in the e-mail and can see the password typed right after it... They login into your account when you're offline. They transfer all your stuff into one of their chars and then leave you a naked wammo (albeit with a lightsaber).

I have friends in-game who had this happen to them. And then they use your naked character (while you're away) to advertise their site in-game. And when people report the nude dude, your account gets banned, not theirs. It's pretty insidious.

So, to all the young guys who are excited about downloading these mods... DON'T Download any mods off the internet.

Unless you're computer savvy, you're better off without a lightsaber.